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Well I haven't gotten around to seeing it yet but I remember seeing a guy review the manga and I think I remember him saying that the manga started kinda rough but got better later. Not sure how true that was or how the anime will turn out but it means the show at least does have a chance.

 

@Supernatural-Knight I believe I'm a bit more qualified to answer your q's/concern there as I have seen the 12 ep OVA Kaito Kid specials and you'll want to read what I say to Meta regarding why I was so hard on ep 1 and ep 2's preview if you're at all interested in the series. But first, yes Kaito Kid uses tricks and illusions to commit crimes and steal jewels, the reason is a decent one though for why he steals the jewels and even then there's more to it than that and he also uses his "magic" to do other things out like help people for example. (But Kaito Kid's job and what he uses magic for is mainly to steal jewels) I can assure you, this anime is like no other and if you at all enjoyed Lupin the 3rd then you'll prob love Kaito Kid even though the two are different from each other they both have the same thing in common, stealing and escaping from the law however, both are very different in how they do it, why they do it and so much more.

Click spoiler after reading the post for Meta.

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So yeah Knight, you're going to want to watch the ova eps first, or, you could wait till ep 3 is out and I/Meta have watced it to hear if anything we've said changes and go from there but, given what I said to Meta, I highly doubt what I've said is going to change much. Really though, I think you just might like Kaito Kid and I hope you've give his ovas/series a chance and also Conan's anime a chance too.

@Metazoxan No, it's not a bit early to make comparisons and such because I HAVE seen the 12 ova ep specials and thus am able to compare the two and so on and did I mention it's only been 1 month or less since I saw those 12 ep specials? Yup, my memory of them is still fresh. Let me brake it down for you a bit.

ep 1 was nearly a direct copy of the 1st ep special, it did make some changes like for example how Kaito escaped from the class room using a rope, in the original he called himself an alien and escaped via a balloon of an alien however Aoko jumped on it ruining his "trick" and also messing up Kaito's "Poker face" as a result. Then another scene on how he discovered Kaito Kid's clothes and such in this one the lock unlocked after 8 years, but in the original something Aoko said to him made him think on that moment and press his hand against that area thus revealing Kaito Kid's clothes etc. and in that same room it was a tape recorder that played and a message saying I am Kai... Ki... which as u know wasn't the case in the new ep that just aired. There were plenty of other changes too which I wont point out however 1 which I WILL point out was Warning Knight, this spoiler u might want to avoid until you've watched ep 1 of the new series.

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In the original there was no "3rd" Kaito Kid that appeared in the same ep as the 1st two, 1st being u know who and 2nd being Kaito himself, so this 3rd KK is interesting to say the least. Further more, in the original it never showed how his father died and the only thing we knew was during a magic trick, this one did show how he died yet, an explosion but no trace of body/clothes? and now this 3rd KK? Well it's anyone's guess at this point but I have my suspicions.

That said, there were plenty of small and some big changes which could end up making this series completely separate/different from the original OVAs, there were still too many things left out that shouldn't have been left out. For example, blue birthday is ep 5 of the ovas, we barely got to see Aoko and now it's her b-day? We don't get the CHANCE to really KNOW her like u did in the ovas so seems kinda pointless tbh and, because they skipped ep 2, and 4 this means A) We don't get to see how Kaito Kid aquired one of his traits which was to disguise himself as anyone. (In ep 2 OVA) and B) the witch who played a very important couple of roles in the ovas wasn't introduced because they skipped to ep 5 and she's n ep 4.

Lastly, one other thing that MUST be pointed out about the preview for ep 2 which is really ep 5 of the ovas, in the original it took 5 eps to get to the bad guys finally showing up (which was a big deal actually given what Kaito Kid did) yet in this series it took 2 eps and RIGHT AFTER Kaito declared he'd get them to come out, that is rushed WAY too much! For Good's sakes man he hasn't stolen but 1 jewel which we both saw how THAT went down at the end there. Certainly not enough time to get them to come out THUS, rushed much doesn't do it justice and though one could say, oh well ep 2 might just show quick flashes of the thefts from ep 2-4, that still is rushed and it also means you'll HAVE to watch the ova eps in order to see what happened and for a series that's supposed to be a restart of the series, it should be separate and not make the viewer have to go to the ova eps or as some anime do sadly, resort to the manga for more.

Now sure, they COULD have just not of shown these parts they skipped in the preview and might still show them OR introduce them in a new way but, I honestly it can top the magic of the original and I do mean magic as, that's the impression Kaito Kid has left on me regarding them and his series. So yes, so FAR it's not as good as the original and until it proves otherwise that's where I stand. Oh and yes, you're right in that they did a good enough job of setting up the story, establishing the char and such Lastly, one thing I didn't like was how the art style was darker and a bit different from the original, sure not by a whole lot thankfully but, I didn't like it and, I SWEAR Kaito's/Kid's nose is now pointer. Hey, careful with that nose Kaito, you could kill someone with that.

 

He may have only stolen one thing himself but the old man did a bit before hand plus I'd imagine they'd be pretty shocked to find out the thief they killed showed back up again. Honestly waiting 5 episodes for the bad guys to even show up sounds kinda slow. As for those important people they'll probably be introduced later. If it's really that plot significant they will probably fit it in somewhere. Most likely they just tried to rearrange events a little in order to change the pacing of the show. Because before it was a bunch of specials but now it's a 24 episode series. So they probably didn't want to spend a 4th of the series doing "heist of the week" before we even saw the bad guys. Don't forget that while Kaito Kid has his following the magic kaito Manga wasn't all that popular and since they are reanimating the whole story I'm guessing the specials weren't exactly an over whelming success.

My point is they are probably trying to change up the pacing and presentation to make things more dramatic and suited to a series. Like showing more about the fathers death and giving us an early glimps of the bad guys. All this stuff is classic ways to help grab your audience and keep them invested. Which makes sense because if the original manga and OVA under performed they would look for ways to improve it in ways that appeal better. Even if you personally think the original specials were perfect in every way clearly not everyone agrees.

You mostly just seem upset that it didn't mirror the original. Sure maybe in some ways the original handled a scene or two better but IMO him escaping with a rope or by balloon alien isn't too important and as for a scene of breaking his poker face she did that with the fish too. Also he still entered through the portrate while he was thinking about the past so whether it was because Aoko said something or him just happening to reminisce seems like a minor detail. Plus while the recording didn't say directly "I am kaito kid" it did talk to him and then reveal the ourfit so it's mostly the same thing. But anyway if this witch character is truely important they'll probably still cover her eventually.

The first episode felt magical enough to me and the art style looks exactly like what Detectice Conan looks like right now just like the original OVA looked like DC did at that time.

yeah if you watched and are used to the original OVA this new series won't be the same. But as someone who knows mostly who kaito Kid is but didn't actually see the OVA I thought the first episode was pretty good.

NOTE: I am not saying the Original OVA suck or that the new series is automatically better. But personally I like the animation and I think letting us see the bad guys before episode freaking 5 sounds pretty good. So if anything else it's more a matter of opinion which is better rather than an absolute fact.... at least for now. Need to see more to know what Magic kaito 1412 is really like.

 

You know I am.

 

I think we're gonna get a Yuri love triangle.

 

Cross Ange is amazing



I have never seen an anime anger so many females in my many years of watching anime.
It's just so perfect.

 

So it's that bad? What's so wrong with it?

 

They mistook a physical as rape and said it was offensive to females.

 

yeah that wasn't what I was expecting at all. The lame CGI Mecha and cliche as hell synopsis told me to skip this anyway but I wasn't expecting hatred. I just expected boredom.

BTW finally got to world Trigger

Yeah the slide show was pretty stupid but that was all background junk that would have just been told to us either way. Besides what would they have shown? A bunch of guys who aren't even main cast members fighting monsters of the week? The series starts where the important stuff does. I will agree the animation is far from top notch but it's not exactly that bad either IMO.

The important thing is the plot and characters and the white haired MC seems interesting at least and glasses guy looks like he might be a good match for him. Also I remember that someone who read a good bit of the manga told me it started a little rough but got much better later on.

In particular I liked the "I'm returning the greeting" scene. Although was it just me or was their a weird pause when they did that close up on his eys after catching that stick? Normally there would be some sound effect and maybe a little panning but it just zoomed in an sat their for a second or two. I almost thought my video had frozen. The monsters are also all CGI which just doesn't look good. The trigger on effect also felt like they just threw a bunch of sock sparkle effects on the screen.

Basically I'm not defending the animation much but the show itself looks worth watching.

 

Also forgot the death of pudding.



R.I.P. Puddi ;-;

 

I watched Magic Kaito 1412 ep 2, later I'll post the comparison of it to that of the soure it's copied from but, I will say, ep 3 of this series is an intirly new ep/material! I'm soo looking forward to it and also saw this comong. >: )

Oh, but this pudding's death was more epic.

 

Never post that show, that show is shit.

 

Which is a shame since it had been anticipated for so long. Kiddy Grade was a pretty decent show and a sequal had been teased for ages with there even being a trailer showing two MC with new apperances again. Later there was a poster showing two other girls who looked like they were the new main characters but in the end even they weren't the main characters of the show we FINALLY got and it was such a mess. The original had some comedic moments but Kiddy Girl was just pure nonsense like I remember this one scene where they were trying to sneek out past curfew or something and part of the security system was crawling over a bridge that looked like an oily sumo wresler or something.... I don't remember it completely but it was something like that was just just totally stupid. Plus the villains were all lame, the plot made very little sense, and it left me with a desire to kill the people responsible for it.

 

Says you. I actually love that show. WAIT NOW! Put down the pitch fork for a min and listen. lol Sure I admit I love the show, but even I realize just how bad of a continuation it is to the legendary prequel. So many thigs changed and done wrong, I REALLY won't list them besides two of them that do bug me, the first of which I got over though for the most part which is

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killing off Eclipse and other GOTT members and having the remaining ones alive not be shown, well, besides those two along with Eclair & Lumiere. the 2nd thing which I doubt I'll ever get over is how Q-feu (However uuh spell Ascoeru's partner's name) looks like Eclair (which is cool) but it turns out she is the clone of Lumiere... Uhh, WHAT!? I forget if she has Lumiere's powers or Eclairs but, either way I'm not a happy camper about that. Not to mention how is it Ascoeru whose NOT a clone has Eclair's power's yet looks like Lumiere when they aren't at all related? Not to mention that they each had personalities similar to the originals yet a fusion of them. That said, I can forgive this and somewhat (Emphasis on somewhat lol) over look this and just focus on and enjoy the story.

And the story did have plot, sure things were silly, sure the anime was VERY different from the original and sure they made a shit ton of changes to it that it should not be a conan story or at least not the main time line story but a deviation from the true one is how I see it HOWEVER! After all that is said and done, we're given an anime that has new chars, a nice story (Albeit heart wrenching and cruel at times... ) and a cast of lively chars that one may come to love if u let them in. Sure it's a disgrace to the original but if u put that to the side, you too might just come to like, maybe even LOVE it. All you gotta do is consider it a different time line from the actual main line one, or, don't but put your feelings from the original to the side and enjoy this anime. Ok, so, uhh, you going to put the pitch fork away now Maddy? ^_^;

Yeah, I wasn't in the loop of the teasing (Thankfully) but I did hear some stuff on it. See my above thoughts on it however, I will say it may have been silly and yes some of it was nonsense such as the break in ep that u pointed out buuut, Kiddy Girl And did have a plot to it and while prob a generic all too often used plot, it was still a good one at that. Also I fully understood it all, minus the whole thing in the above spoiler regarding the new girls... >_> Well, the illains weren't exactly lame to me but comparing them to KG's ones yes they were, but, I don't like to compare the two series. A shame it got so much hate, but not like I can't see why. I still like the anime fondly but yes the original is better.

 

too late

That vendor is really stingy with refunds and I already bought one.

But seriously I see where you are coming from.... I just don't completely agree. While I agree one should always give a show a chance and not hold it completely up to the standards of the original I just don't think it's good regardless. Stuff like that absurd security system scene along with other forced ecchi moments are far to plentiful and it clashes too much with the more serious moments. Actually the shows insistence on being light hearted and following the stupid goofball and her friend really weakens this shows attempt to have an edge to it.

Going back to the original it had elements similar to this but it did them right. Eclair was fortrayed as being the more hot headed and foolish one of the two but she was still a true blue soldier. She could and would kick your ass and when serious shit went down she was the first to jump into action. Lumiere was the smarter and more mature one and served more as back up and support helping Eclair through scrapes that she couldn't just punch through. The plot itself had some light hearted moments but the way they were portrayed especially later on make them either feel like an illusion or like a mere calm before the storm. Meaning the happy moments helped serve as a contrast that enchanced the darker moments rather than interfeering with them.

In Kiddy girl the pink haired girl isn't just hot headed or foolish she's a full blown idiot. Sure she is shown as a good girl who is trying her best but she is still shown as an idiot who not only can't really fight but can't do much of anything right. I get the idea was to follow a rookie instead of a pro but a rookie doesn't have to be a bumbling idiot. Her partner is also portrayed as the smarter and more responsible one but not to the same degree as Lumiere was meaning she can't even begin to cover up for her partners idiocy. Plus Eclair and Lumiere had deep and complex back stories that the original only gave us a glimpse of while these new two only have some back story and it's not all that original.

one last thing

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What pissed me off was how the sequal had the nobless going "OH poor us. We lost our privilages which we all either abused or we stood by and didn't even try to stop others from abusing and we were forced to live as normal people". I mean good lord even if not all of them were bad it was shown throughout the first season how most of them were either self absorbed rich assholes or worse and entire worlds of people were treated as little better than slaves! and these assholes think they have the right to start a revolution to undo the first revolution? I wouldn't mind so much if this was portrayed as hypocritical as it is but no the show goes out of it's way to make you sympathise with the bad guys by showing all of the "Suffering" they went through during the revolution while completely ignoring everything the Nobless had done in the past.

Now to be fair I MIGHT be just a little bitter about being teased for years and having the final product not even resemble what was teased (I remember seeing a teaser showing a young Eclair and Adult Lumiere which would have been awesome to see) so it may not be as bad as I make it out to be. But I stand by my statement that it's not good at least.


EDIT: here is the Pilot that was release while it was still under the working title Kiddy Grade 2

I will never understand why this was all scrapped and replaced with that other show.

 

@Metazoxan Good thing I was talking to Maddy regarding the pitch forks then haha ^_^;

A little? A LITTLE!? Sounds like a LOT to me. lol That's pretty much why I said I'm thankful I wasn't teased about it like most were for years. At this point all that you've said has been in comparison to that of the original and your anger is clouding your judgment. Sure you and I and many others all have pointed out countless flaws about the sequel, but, for one thing, if you don't compare it to the original it's better and for another, many of these so called "flaws" within the anime such as the idiot heroine (Fyi, she's not as bad as u made her out to be and later on isn't so helpless) as an example have been done tme and time again in countless anime, those same anime were also very good. For example, Sailor Moon. (klutz/cry baby) and if we look to cartoons then, Inspector Gadget (Btw, he's getting a 2015 CGI series from what I heard) who happens to BE an actual bumbling idiot and it works. But I don't believe Ascoeru is a bumbling idiot. Sure space cadet/care free or some other similar word but in a good way.

I've saved the video. It shames me to say, I've still yet to watch the pilot. *Natsuru is ashamed of herself* I'll look for a more higher quality ver. and if I can't find it then I'll watch that one. Thanks for posting that.

EDIT: I watched the pilot finally, now I only need to watch the 3 recap movies and I'll have finished the whole anime series. (Will watch those, eventually) I have to say, this was a good pilot, even if it was all over the place and felt like they were just throwing out possible ideas for a while there. It could come together as a story, or could be parts from different world lines however, there are two things I am thankful for that when they finally made KGa that they changed from the pilot. The first being, Ascoeru's appearance, twas MUCH better in the final product vs. the pilot. 2 being that Eclair

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didn't sacrifice her life in the anime sequel but in the pilot she did and I HATE the thought of her dying. Nope, nauh! Not gunna happen on mah watch! Didn't make it any better her A) Uttering those words to Lumiere that said she knew her death was coming and worse, like THAT! >_> and b) that her final words to Lumiere and the audience were silent words that only a lip reader could know. -_- I HATE it when they do that, annoys me to no end! >_<

But again, thankfully those two things were changed from the pilot. I might be forgetting something here, not sure...
EDIT: Hopefully this was it, hopefully there's nothing else. Aparently both KG and KGa's mangas are still on going >_> http://myanimelist.net/manga/2931/Kiddy_Grade_Reverse
http://myanimelist.net/manga/12884/Kiddy_GiRL-AND_Pure
Perhaps this means a sequel, perhaps a true sequel?

 

@Natsuru-san No, there will never be another sequel.