Melee March Elimination Game

Saeko Busujima – Highschool of the Dead – 8
ThatRandomGinger
Oak
Siets
Nono
Wampa
Noobs
Mafiacow
PureEbil

Ichigo Kurosaki – Bleach – 2
Maddy
Supernatural Knight

 

well its not really the tits. she was just pure ass kickin in fighting zombies just using baboo/wooden sword. i find it more appealing than from someone who has a title "god" and has powers.

 

Saeko Busujima – Highschool of the Dead – 8
ThatRandomGinger
Oak
Siets
Nono
Wampa
Noobs
Mafiacow
PureEbil

Ichigo Kurosaki – Bleach – 3
Maddy
Supernatural Knight
Araragi

 

Haven't actually seen HotD, so gotta go with Bleach.

Saeko Busujima – Highschool of the Dead – 8
ThatRandomGinger
Oak
Siets
Nono
Wampa
Noobs
Mafiacow
PureEbil

Ichigo Kurosaki – Bleach – 4
Maddy
Supernatural Knight
Araragi
BaconMan8910

 

Soooo… how many people are voting for combat? I’m voting cause Ichigo is a Shinigami where as Saeko is just a human thrown into a zompocalypse, and she still kicks arse.



I'm voting for Combat. My problem with Ichigo is he relies far too much on Getsuga Tenshou which is a long range attack. Plus he has no actual sword skills as far as I can tell. He just swings the dumb thing around like a club. He's somewhat good at guarding at least but in the end he always relies on his energy slash attack to kill anything. Can anyone point out even one time he killed anything with his actual sword after he got Getsuga Tenshou? Those first few hollows don't count since them were weak monster of the week enemies and even then he still just swung his sword like a club to kill them.

Saeko kills hords of zombies with a sword. That by default requires some level of actual skill. So to me it's obvious who the better melee character is.
Saeko Busujima – Highschool of the Dead – 9
ThatRandomGinger
Oak
Siets
Nono
Wampa
Noobs
Mafiacow
PureEbil
meta

Ichigo Kurosaki – Bleach – 4
Maddy
Supernatural Knight
Araragi
BaconMan8910

 

Soooo… how many people are voting for combat? I’m voting cause Ichigo is a Shinigami where as Saeko is just a human thrown into a zompocalypse, and she still kicks arse.




How many anime character do you know who can A perform "matrix tits" and B Balance a hummer  on two wheels to drive through a blockade using no magic or esp or etc (also i know this is flawed anime logic at work but still)

 

Roronoa Zoro – One Piece [0]

Lil’ Slugger – Paranoia Agent [1]
Maddy

 

Roronoa Zoro – One Piece [0]

Lil’ Slugger – Paranoia Agent [2]
Maddy
Heizen

 

Roronoa Zoro – One Piece [1]
Nono-dono

Lil’ Slugger – Paranoia Agent [2]
Maddy
Heizen

 

Roronoa Zoro – One Piece [2]
Nono-dono
meta
Lil’ Slugger – Paranoia Agent [2]
Maddy
Heizen

Zoro can cut through large ships or a mountain probably as if it were paper. No magic. No supermatural power. Just pure strength and skill. He's a master swordsman who at this point is the second best if not already the best swordsman in the world. It's true he has the pound canon which sorta counts as a long range attack but he doesn't rely on it too much and it's really just him swinging his sword hard enough to create a shock wave like thing. So it's still just him and his sword. No guns and no magic just the sword and he's not like Ichigo who relied completely on his long range Magical energy slashes.

 

Roronoa Zoro – One Piece [3]
Nono-dono
meta
Shogun
Lil’ Slugger – Paranoia Agent [2]
Maddy
Heizen

On the Saeko match, I think that Ichigo has a little too much ranged combat mixed in. It's like nominating Goku when almost all of the actual damage caused in Z was from beams and bombs. I mean he punches things sure, but when the going gets tough, I expect 30% punch, 70% energy.

 

Hmm I don't wish to cause a scene but I would like to interject here at least as far as Ichigo x Saeko. I don't believe the legitimate battle between the two is being considered. There are several things to take into account such as the fast that Saeko is human only, while Ichigo is human/soul reaper. This is an important factor because as a soul reaper Ichigo, in soul reaper form, would essential not exist to Saeko. Including the many soul reaper rules which forbid interaction with a human especially injury. So that would not null the fight but make it were Ichigo would fight as a human. He may maintain a higher than average strength and speed in human form however does not retain any of his soul reaper powers. So this would bring it down to Saeko's skills as a human and Ichigo's skills as a human. Ichigo has shown very little developement in a sword skills aside from his soul reaper powers except when in bankai. Saeko on the other hand has amazing sword skills and survivability. Her maneuverability and speed are on par with Ichigo's in human form if not surpasses. Based on this analysis I would easily determine Saeko as the victory in skill in melee combat. Also as a side note concerning "Can she really take on a Hollow with that Bokken" it has been shown on numerous occasions in Bleach, with humans with great survival instincts and skill, when threatened with a hollow attack, which also indicates latent spiritual power, powers would begin to surface and manifest as a means to defend themselves and also attack and kill hollows. So in answer to that question Yes I do believe she could.

Thank you for your time, this concludes my opinions and limited research on the matter.

 

You could give Kon Ichigo’s body and a wooden broom handle and he would still trump Saeko.


I haven't watched HSotD because I don't like the tits/zombie mix and I only watched one ep because I was basically forced to, but for an average human she seemed incredibly proficient with her weapon. With the comparison you just made here, it seems like you are heavily discounting her combat abilities if you think a character with no weapon skills (he only ever uses kicks in the show and manga to the best of my knowledge) could even land a strike on her.
There needs to be some accounting for different universe's rules and in her own world, she's able to take on a reasonable number of zombies at a time. She seemed like one of the best fighters at the time. Yeah she can't beat a hollow. Hell I'd go so far as to say that she couldn't lift Ichigo's sword and wield it proficiently. The reason why both are true is because she's from a somewhat realistic universe as compared to a shonen "my dreams make the impossible possible" universe. There needs to be some accounting for different scales of power. Otherwise I could just nominate TTGL and say "Could anybody on this list beat a fighter the size of the universe in a fight? Could anybody except the people that we know have already lost to him like Spiral even come close?". So the universe needs to play some role and I think that Ichigo sans his universe is a mixed user who doesn't have as high of a proficiency as Saeko in strict melee combat and tends to fight with ranged when he can get away with it. There are plenty of Bleach people I would side with as being more proficient in melee, but Ichigo just isn't one of them. Hell I mean Komamura from Bleach or Lee from Naruto would win against Ichigo because every win is due to their melee and not due to Getsuga beating them down to where he can stab them. He doesn't cleave like he used to and I feel like the melee month should be about "the pound for pound" best and for me Saeko beats Ichigo.

 

That Ichigo and Saeko match was just embarrassing. Further proof that tits and favoritism rule in these competitions. Cause I’m pretty sure, Ichigo just swinging his Zanpakuto once would obliterate the entire school in HSotD. All the Getsuga Tenshou and other energy related shit with his Zanpakuto aside, Ichigo in his most basic form in the The Substitute arc would annihilate Saeko. Can she really take on a Hollow with that Bokken? Also, the voting on tit matrix is really disappointing and such an unrelated factor. This entire elimination game is by far the most upsettingly biased one we’ve done to date.

And after all that complaining about how people don’t logically vote for the better candidate you go and vote Saeko over Ichigo XD. So many people neglecting the fact that his training with Zangetsu far trumps what some highschool girl learned in class with a bokken. We can quit mentioning Getsuga Tenshou now. Not even getting far into the story arcs of Bleach and naming the countless things hes beaten, could Saeko even beat Grand Fisher? Or even Shrieker? You say those first few hollows don’t count but could Saeko even stand in their presence for very long? This is a comparison on the most basic level, and with that, pointing out anyone Ichigo killed after the substitute arc is irrelevant.


You are SERIOUSLY missing the point. Since when was this a "Who is stronger" competition? It's about who is the better Melee fighter. Yes Ichigo as a Soul Reaper could kill Saeko easily but not because of skill. He'd win because of nothing but soul reaper power. and why shouldn't we mention Getsuga Tenshou when he relies on it in EVERY fight. From the very start I felt he barely qualified to be here because he uses that long range attack so damn much. Even with those first few hollows the reason I said that didn't matter was because while he used his sword in those fights he only did so due to the lack of Getsuga Tenshou and he still did nothing but swing his sword down as hard as he could. There was no skill just raw power and since the moment he gets his energy slash attack he abuses it I just don't think he's a good Melee character. It has NOTHING to do with Saeko heck I'll probably vote against her next round. It's just she at last fights countless zombies with nothing but skill instead of raw power. So yes Ichigo is stronger but Saeko is more skilled and more of a Melee fighter than Mr sword Goku.


energy aside, Ichigo simply swinging his Zanpakuto at Saeko would annihilate her. People have this energy shit fixated in their heads but all of that aside Ichigo is still the better sword user of the two. Everything he did in the Substitute arc, albeit swinging his sword wildly, would still be too much for Saeko and all of her fancy bokken skills. The number one comparison, she’d get raped by Shrieker. Hell, even Sado could take Saeko.


Again he uses that energy slash so much it can't really be ignored without ignoring pretty much everything he ever does but even putting that aside he still has soul reaper strength. You said yourself he swings his sword wildly and that right there is the problem. I voted because of skill and Melee ability not supernatural power. This was never about who was simply the strongest. If it was why would anyone have even bother nominating a human? So it's not all just about power it's about skill and ability to and Ichigo never really focused on anything besides raw power. Plus like Shogun said you need to take their universes into account. If both were shonen universes like One piece Vs. Bleach then you could use raw power as a factor. Like in the Erza vs Rakan match both were shonen characters who were skilled Melee fighers and has weapon summoning abilities. In such a match power could be used as a deciding factor.

But in this match it's a shonen main character against a normal human in a zombie apocalypse. and judging them purely on their Melee proficency Saeko is better in my eyes. BTW I actually haven't watch HoTD either but I've seen clips of it especially ones involving her and she showed excellent use of her sword. So I've at least seen enough to know what she can do.

Over all who deserved to win is certainly debatable but it's a fact that I did not vote against Ichigo because of Bias. In fact given how Ichigo is from the famed Bleach series shouldn't such a thing have given him the advantage? Either way I voted her because in my eyes she is the better Melee character.

 

Over all who deserved to win is certainly debatable but it’s a fact that I did not vote against Ichigo because of Bias. In fact given how Ichigo is from the famed Bleach series shouldn’t such a thing have given him the advantage? Either way I voted her because in my eyes she is the better Melee character.


This for me too.

Anyaway, this round. Despite my hate of One Piece, Zoro is one of the less dislikeable characters. Plus, he actually has skill with his swords, unlike Luffy's lucky punches and shit. That, and I am yet to see Paranoia Agent. ;P

Roronoa Zoro – One Piece [4]
Nono-dono
meta
Shogun
Mafiacow

Lil’ Slugger – Paranoia Agent [2]
Maddy
Heizen

 

One episode is all I saw and assuming she doesn't have a massive character derailment, that should be enough to state that as her baseline.