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Florida Shooting

Discussion in 'Hall of the Elders' started by Vashnik, Feb 25, 2018.

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    After the Florida shooting, a trend has come back once again in an effort to ban all guns. Under the guise of "banning assault weapons" in an effort to target the AR-15, they use "assault weapons" very loosely and perpetuate further ignorance of the subject. The new part of this trend is blaming the NRA (or National Rifle Association) for the mass shooting. What these anti-NRA, anti-gun activists want to do, but won't come out and say it: Ban all guns.
    Facts about the shooting:
    1. Shooter had police called on him 39 times in relation to violence. By law, this means he shouldn't even be eligible to buy ANY gun.
    2. FBI ignored tips given to them about the shooter's violent history.
    3. Sheriff's department hesitated in doing their job. The result 17 kids killed. 14 hospitalized.
    4. This all could have been prevented if the government did their job.
    What the anti-NRA / anti-gun activists aren't doing? Blaming the very government that failed to do their jobs. Instead, they're demanding the government ban guns out of emotion, instead of coming up with practical solutions that is still constitutional. Many of them are very ignorant on the very tools they want to ban, and that's a problem that will hurt everyone's freedom, especially when the government was complacent in the shooting and did nothing to prevent it.
    Here are some facts on the AR-15 (constantly being targeted by anti-gun people):
    1. The AR in “AR-15” rifle stands for ArmaLite rifle, after the company that developed it in the 1950s. “AR” does NOT stand for “assault rifle” or “automatic rifle.”
    2. AR-15-style rifles are NOT “assault weapons” or “assault rifles.” An assault rifle is fully automatic — a machine gun. Automatic firearms have been severely restricted from civilian ownership since 1934.
    3. AR-15-style rifles look like military rifles, such as the M-16, but function like other semi-automatic civilian sporting firearms, firing only one round with each pull of the trigger.
    4. Versions of modern sporting rifles are legal to own in all 50 states, provided the purchaser passes the mandatory FBI background check required for all retail firearm purchasers.
    5. Chamberings include .22, .223 (5.56 x 45mm), 6.8 SPC, .308, .450 Bushmaster and about a dozen others. Upper receivers for pistol calibers such as 9 mm, .40, and .45 are available. There are even .410 shotgun versions.
    6. AR-15-style rifles are no more powerful than other hunting rifles of the same caliber and in most cases are chambered in calibers less powerful than common big-game hunting cartridges like the 30-06 Springfield and .300 Win. Mag.
    7. These rifles are used for many different types of hunting, from varmint to big game. And they’re used for target shooting in the national matches.
    Here is the most recent stats for homicides (murders) by weapon: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-4.xls
    What anti-gun activists claim: 55K gun deaths
    What anti-gun activists don't tell you: Of those 55K claimed gun deaths, very few are murder related. Majority are suicide related (about 63%).
    CDC Homicide Stats | Death: Final Data for 2013
    Interestingly: Assault by firearms resulting in death is number 107 in the list of leading cause of deaths, out of 113 listed in their research. Seen Here, pages 3 - 5. Motor vehicle accidents are still deadlier than firearms according to the list.
    Are anti-gun activists being intellectually dishonest in their agenda?
     
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    Talk about pure violence, seems people just love to have fun killing and shooting people like if it were a game, but it's not
     
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    Well considering the kid was viciouslly bullied and ostracised throughout his schooling life this is pretty much a conequence of bullying in schools. I mean sure the kid was mentally fucked, but you could make an argument it was cause of the bullying.

    This wasn't a game, this was revenge, revenge on the people who bullied him (I realise the kids he killed didn't actually bully him). And now his bullies are the ones who are in the spotlight (I say this because Emma Gonzales admitted she bullied him during middle school).
     
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    Seems legit
     
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    This shooting was an absolute travesty that could have been prevented long ago if law enforcement actually did something.
    These are the individuals wanting the government to have the guns, too. (though, some want even the government to have none).
    If these people are the type to operate only off of emotion, you would think a woman getting raped because she did not have a gun to blast a hole through the rapist's chest would work as an emotional argument on them.
     
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    That is true, unfortunately and (this might offend a few people) sadly the law enforcement mostly care for themselves, not the lives of innocent people but themselves and pure, hard, cash, even where I am people are actually more scared of the cops than the criminals
     
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    Mexico's law enforcement is far, far worse than in the US though. So the fear Mexican citizen's have for law enforcement is completely justified if half (if not most) cops that are still alive are corrupt and in the pockets of cartels or strong gangs. The ones that don't fall in line are usually the ones killed by gang members or cartels, or killed by "friendly fire." (Based on your forum profile, you claim Mexico as your location).
    The UK is the opposite as far as corruption of cops goes and goes even further with the fact that most beat cops only have a stick. The violent crime rate is still high in areas with excessive control on defensive use of any objects that could be a "weapon" and despite all the "gun control" initiatives, cops still end up shot. But remember, "gun control" totally works and criminals totally obey the laws.

    If you can't defend yourself using a gun against a criminal with a gun and your government forbids your right to bear arms against these criminals, the government has failed to protect your basic human right to life and the right to self-defense. When it comes to life and death, why gamble on a 5 minutes wait time (and that's a fast response time) when you could be dead within those 5 minutes.

    What these anti-gun activists don't realize is that criminals don't obey the laws, yet these same activists complain when police response times are terrible (usually understaffed departments), complain with crimes happen involving guns and complain when "the tragedy shouldn't have happened", and complain about "rape culture" (which is a myth by the way, there is no such thing as rape culture in the US), but then want to deny a rape victim their right to a gun to protect themselves.
     
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    In the case of where you come from, I find that believable.
     
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    It’s even worse when your governor is so pathetic that people really wanted him out due to not doing the correct things, all bark and no bite I’m afraid, I love my country, but I do not love the government or the police
     
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    That's the entire purpose of the US Constitution 2nd Amendment. It protect's the People's rights to overthrow a government that has failed to do their job and install a new one. In order to do that, the amendment also protects the People's rights to bear arms to do so. And in the event that the worst case happens and the military is overwhelmed by foreign or domestic enemies, it protects the People's right to form a militia as the last line of defense when the people can exercise their right to bear arms. While Canada kneels to the English Crown, Queen Elizabeth II, the US bows to no one because we had fought a tyrannical English king for our complete independence from the Crown.

    Anti-gun activists are completely ignorant of history and anything related to guns; their movement is proof of it. This is an example of history about to be repeated and they could care less because the "AR-15 is scary" and "semi-automatics should be banned."
     
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    There is absolutely no way America would ever ban the AR-15, or any semi-automatics in general. This argument comes up everytime a mass shooting happens and the AR-15 is to blame. They'd cause a civil uprising if they did it. It's pretty much impossible to ban guns (within reason of course, I don't think a civillian should own a fucking machine gun, thankfully though, apparently it is really hard to obtain a machine gun in America).
     
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    You're not wrong about that, our country did had a revolutionary war due to dictatorship for someone who entered the presidency for 30 years, a lot of horrible battles happened in the century of the 1900's and people were considering a revolution to get the current president out, but nothing happened and everyone's scared of what the new president will do, unlike the US, one can be president for 6 years and can only be there once in their lifetime
     
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    Exactly. The AR-15 won't be banned, but that won't stop them from coercing companies to violate the rights of others. These anti-gun activists keep trying, but only do it when a "scary AR-15 was used" because the media said so. But very little is done about school safety when pistols are used, such as the Virginia Tech shooting. They won't say anything when a "good guy with a gun" uses an AR-15 to stop an active shooter from killing more people, as it would go against the anti-gun narrative. You could walk up to one of those activists and you'll more than likely run into someone that is so ignorant of guns that they don't even know what gun was used in non-AR-15 related shootings. You can ask them what a semi-automatic is, and most (if not all) will immediately start describing a fully automatic used by the military, especially when they attempt to describe the AR-15. They'll actually be describing the M4 and M-16.
    Machine guns are regulated by the National Firearms Act and people can still own machine guns, but one has to put in the effort to file it legally and register the machine gun. Regulations are enforced by the ATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms[, and Explosives]). Manufacturers, retailers, and importers have to pay a tax on it. It's heavily regulated, so it's rare to actually see them in stores (contrary to games like GTA and Saints Row that take place in a fictional United States).
     
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    When people want to ban the AR-15, I want to ask them if they own stocks in other firearm companies and want a competitor to go down.
    Of course, I know the answer is "No", but it would point out that they are just targeting a weapon that can easily be replaced by another semi-auto.
     
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    They're also just targeting the only gun they know of. Does anyone have that tweet where someone actually said that the 'AR' in 'AR-15' stands for Assault Rifle, and the '15' indicates how many shots it can fire per round?

    Update: Found it, this is who you're arguing with.

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    Possibly a joke?
    Not that I am expecting it to be a joke. So many people know nothing about guns and stats, but still seem to think they know what it takes to end murders.
     
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    Dunno man, it's hard to differentiate what is a joke and what is serious in this day and age
     
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    Yeah... no. That Jessica person really is as stupid as the picture shows. She has no idea what she's talking about and the more you read her tweets, the more it becomes apparent that she really is just that dumb and that her tweets are not jokes.
     
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    Libtards man, their stupidity can amaze you sometimes
     

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